COMMENTS: Learning to live with Chinese Powser: A Talk by HUgh White - Royal Society of NSW: 08-07-2022

This is going to be different: Learning to live with Chinese Power Royal Society of NSW 1.26K subscribers Subscribe 837 Share Download: 72,829 views Jul 8, 2022 STATE LIBRARY OF NEW SOUTH WALES 1304th Ordinary General Meeting and Open Lecture of the Royal Society of NSW — 6 July 2022 “This is going to be different: Learning to live with Chinese Power” Emeritus Professor Hugh White AO FASSA Emeritus Professor of Strategic Studies, Australian National University Timing Marks: 00:00:00 Introduction to the Speaker: Ms Judith Wheeldon AM FRSN, Vice-President, Royal Society of NSW 00:03:52 Presentation: Emeritus Professor Hugh White AO FASSA 01:02:10 Q&A Session and Vote of Thanks: moderated by Emeritus Professor Christina Slade FRSN, Chair, Program Committee, Royal Society of NSW Summary: China's rise drives the most consequential shift in Australia's international environment since European settlement. So far we are in denial about this, hoping that a reassertion of American supremacy will contain China's power and preserve the old US-led regional order which has served us so well. But what are the chances of those hopes being realised, and what can we do if they are dashed? How does Australia make its way in an Asia no longer dominated by our Great and Powerful Friends? How we answer that question will do much to define us as a nation. Chapters View all Transcript Follow along using the transcript. Show transcript Royal Society of NSW 1.26K subscribers Videos About Twitter Facebook LinkedIn 446 Comments Eng Lam Yeo Add a comment... @lukuanvx 2 years ago Professor White is spot on regarding the resolves of the potential conflict between China-USA over Taiwan. Chinese people inherently love peace. China has not fired a bullet over the past 30 years against any other nation while it had risen together with the majority of countries in Asia. If you really understand the Chinese culture, you will realize that that majority of Chinese have been influenced by the lessons from the Confucius over the past two thousand years. But, let us not argue about the boring cultural things. Instead, let us talk about the few points Professor White lightly touched on. Once we understand more about the Chinese people, we would appreciate more about Professor's points. Sports: Historically, the fights between gladiators in ancient Rome as an entertainment were brutal, cruel and inhumane. The aggressive western culture is fully revealed from the deadly sports. Today, American people love football game. It is much better than the fight-to-death entertainment between the gladiators. But, it is still very aggressive. This aggressiveness also revealed itself on the foreign policy. No wonder America has been invading many nations as it sees fit without the approval of the United Nation. On the other hand, Chinese people did not like barbarian sports from ancient time. Today, soccer, basketball, and ping-pong are the most popular sports in China. This indicates that most Chinese people are not aggressive in nature. And, this gentle nature combined with the pains it has endured from the aggressive nations taught the Chinese government how to deal with many developing nations with respect. The goal is always win-win instead of the live-and-enslave western mentality. Religion: In China, about 15% of the Chinese people are Buddhists while 10% are Taoist. These two religions do not belong to the category of Monotheism which worships a single god. The religious persecution that drove settlers from Europe to the American colonies showed that the Monotheists could be non-flexible. In China’s history, religion had not been the primary reason used to initiate a war with other nations (e.g., Holy War and Crusades). Race:The majority of the people in China are Hans. The great warriors of Genghis Khan’s soldiers who invaded Europe were Mongolians. From time to time, they and the other ethnic minorities around China posed great threats to the Han Chinese kingdoms. In most cases, the Hans were just playing defense. Playing defense seems to be the norm of the Chinese policy until 2016 when Trump took over. Nowadays, Chinese people had enough of it. They started to fight back except towards the USA sometimes because China is forever grateful to USA for ending Japan’s aggression on China (https://www.japantimes.co.jp/culture/2013/08/24/books/book-reviews/chinas-contribution-to-japans-defeat/). Neighborhood relationship: China has treated its neighbors well as reflected by the coherent rise of almost all Asian nations. There were some minor conflicts between China and India in 2019/2020. But, to the disappointment of some western nations, nothing serious really happened because of the agreement signed by the two nations prohibiting the use of modern weapons. That shows the gentle and restraint nature of both nations. China has no intention to treat any nation as enemy. Instead, China would be willing to corporate with any nation as long as this nation shows basic respect. If you are still not convinced about the gentle nature of Chinese people, think this way. It could have been great for the world and for the USA to have China at the other end of the bipolar world power. In fact, some nations in the world are only aligning with USA on the surface to avoid being bullied by the USA. Deep inside, they know that USA is the bully and just try to contain China to hang on to its world power. The only exception may be Japan which acts as the watchdog for USA. But, Japan might resist if America were to order them to attack China/Russia in a proxy war. Ultimately, USA has to face directly against China/Russia or the USA has to accept the United Nation based rule system. This bi-polar world power system could benefit USA and the world tremendously. Had it happened in year 2000, USA might have avoided many wars that were hurting other nations as well as itself. USA could have saved $10T (including the war in Ukraine, https://www.brown.edu/news/2021-09-01/costsofwar) not to mention the lives that can be spared. If it were indeed so, God would have been truly pleased with USA. 143 Reply 11 replies @robertdlucas7418 1 year ago America meddles in the internal affairs of other countries all the time Prof.White. 78 Reply 3 replies @tedwong7037 1 year ago Australia prefers american dominanted world order is because its to australias favor, not because its more fair, or more moral. The wolrd is bigger than G7, Look at south americans and african countries, are they enjoying americans rule based order? Ita funny that american have those first chain, second chain military strategy to contain china, while china hasnt fired a bullet in the past 30 yrs and rised peacefully, its like Uncle Sam always like to point a gun to your head and screaming, "you are threatening me"! Lets put it this way, even if china changed systematically to a democracy, as long as US cant meddling the election, creating chaos in china, american will still drive his G7 fellas ro accuse china as a crooked democracy and a threaten to "rule based order and western value" 93 Reply 4 replies @gti500 1 year ago It's going to be a multipolar world whether the collective "west" likes it or not. 54 Reply 1 reply @joem0088 1 year ago Asia has lived with Chinese power for millenia. To learn about living with Chinese power you just have to visit Indionesia, and Thailand. There are Chinese diaspora's which has settle and integrated with local society since centuries but never were there any Chinese colonies. They run all the major business and financial institutions argueable had helped these countries developed without compromising their soveriegnty. These historic examples do not suggest the Australia need to be afraid of Chinese regional power which is not a new phenomenon in historic terms. 38 Reply 1 reply @jimrule8652 2 years ago What do we get from America a lot of homelessness and poverty and killing and bad health services not good value 98 Reply 6 replies @nikki088 1 year ago The Chinese have never said they want to “retake” Taiwan - if you want to name something they KEEP SAYING, it would be their goal of “reunifying” with Taiwan in time, which many there would like to see happen as well. Please get your narratives right if you’re going to claim to have an opinion we should listen to. 98 Reply 10 replies @frankyeo8931 8 months ago Whatever anyone says about China, China has not invaded Australia and massacred the Aborigines 16 Reply @stephenyang2844 1 year ago (edited) Mr. White ignores its location closer to south east Asia, can‘t escape economic interaction with China. The idea that China presents a security threat is ludicrous. It is America that has been anxious seeing China‘s re-emergence as a dominant society. 45 Reply 5 replies @JS-ih7lu 2 years ago (edited) Professor White wants to ask Asian countries whether they prefer to be dominated by western powers or China, he forgets that most of them were European/American colonies that only gained their independence a few decades ago. The former Prime Minister of Malaysia once said, they have been neighbours with China for 2000 years and remained sovereign nations, yet western powers conquered them in less than a hundred years of arriving in the region. They know first hand what “western values” mean when directed at them. Also, ASEAN is one of the fastest developing regions of the world thanks to trade with China, while Latin America remains poor and tumultuous thanks to US interventions. It’s a no brainer whose sphere of influence Asian countries and other Global South countries prefer to be in, how presumptuous of Professor White to expect otherwise? 119 Reply 14 replies @Thejohn6807 1 year ago Learn to live with China, you may find it is the best way to make life much better than before. Australian should be clever enough to have the knowledge. 45 Reply @kabysummit5801 1 year ago Also consider Jeffrey Sachs Interview - US-China Relations and Grand Strategy. Take 30 to 40 minutes to watch the above title, to learn a bit from a Columbia university economics professor. There are commonalities for the superpowers, as opposed to the war path we're headed. 11 Reply @kipwonder2233 10 months ago It is absolutely fascinating to watch White civilization grapple with the end of White supremacy 13 Reply @trinitiusw6145 1 year ago (edited) Hugh White really deserves a much larger podium. He is surprisingly logical and pragmatic which is the polar opposite of most of the academics I’ve come across. His dispassionate yet enthralling argument for a multipolar world not only offers a survival path for Australia but an opportunity to thrive in the coming century. All Australia needs now is a leader with the moral courage and intellectual wherewithal to wean the country out of its sidekick mindset and start walking on its own. 16 Reply 2 replies @Jeffrey2323 10 months ago Typically Australian. Mumbling away. Australia must pivot to Asia. For its own comfort and prosperity. USA is too far away…..and declining. Britain is no more. 6 Reply @MASMIWA 3 days ago Professor White, like other western intillectuals presents an attempt to justify the roll of the US in Asia, not just East Asia, but western Asia as well, which means the Middle East. That dominance came from the colonial powers that prior to WW2 was the colonial rulers of these countries. During that era, even China was subjected to colonial force. (1839 to 1945) For China that was historically called its 'century of humiliation'. It was the Japanese, learning from the west about military power that tried to make Asia its sphere of influence by its colonialization of South East Asian countries. Japan lost that power along with Nazi Germany to which it had allied with. To say that the US won the wars is a slight on history. The reality is that Russia was the force that turned the tide of the German juggernaught with its sacrifice of its people. Certainly it was aided by the US as it fought the Germans, but the US did not enter the war in Europe until its later stages. One could say a similar event happened with Japan. China paid with lives as it tied down 2/3 of the Imperial army in mainland China. When the US got involved in the conflict after Pearl Harbor, China was at war with Japan since 1894. That is 48 years before US involvement in the conflict. (December 7th, 1941) After the defeat of Japan, a civil war between Communsit forces and the Nationalist forces ensued. During the Chinese Civil War, Chiang Kai-shek's nationalist forces lost to Mao Zedong's Communist forces. Chiang and his supporters fled to Taiwan, where they established the Republic of China (ROC). That civil war has never ended. There were no peace treaties and only a cease fire exists. The same is true of the Korean War. In 1972, Nixon via his Secretary of State Henry Kissinger brokered better relations between the US and China. Nixon hoped to break the bond being formed between Russia and China. The US recognized 'one China and that China was the PRC and Taiwan was a a part of China.' Unfortunately for the US, that narrative was short lived and today Russian and Chinese ties are stronger than ever. Since the end of the cold war with Russia, the US overwhelmed with its newly achieved hegemony still focused on western influence over the Russian satellite states which today are the issues in the conflict in Ukraine. NATO encroachment were the reasons for Putin's last stand in Ukraine and his alliance with China, as both saw the US as the enemy. That brings us to today. For China, Taiwan is unfinished business. It seeks a peaceful reunification, but Xi has a red line and that is if Taiwan seeks independence, China will act to prevent such actions. The US uses Taiwan to agitate the PRC as it sees the PRC now as both an economic and military rival in Asia. For China, its rise is no more than its status before its century of humiliation at the hands of the west. While it seeks a peaceful rise with coexistence in mind, it knows historically the US is a nation of war. Since its birth over 270 years ago, the US has been in continuous conflict to this day. China is preparing for that day when it has to fight the US. Currently the US is involved in Ukraine and allied with Israel in its conflict with the Palestinians. US has unofficially supplied arms, funding, and military men to aid the Ukrainians in its war with Russia. The US has supplied Israel with arms and funding for its genocide against the Palestinians. The US appears to be losing in both conflicts, as it lost in Vietnam and Afghanistan. It's only military win was Iraq, but today, Iraq is siding with Iran and has asked the US to leave. China is a rising power and the US is a declining power. The hope is this will not lead to a nuclear holocaust. With Trump's second administration, the focus will be on China and the world hopes this does not lead to Armageddon. 4 Reply @orangutan4696 9 months ago (edited) o (edited) "Chinese and Arabs brought prosperity, white people brought sorrow." Quote from a South East Asian native. (He simply referred to Chinese and Arabs in general) For peace and prosperity, I wholehearted wish China will be the #1 superpower that force the USA to look inward minding their own problems and causing less sorrow for all of us. 5 Reply @endeend1 2 years ago (edited) The US GDP is severely overinflated. For example a treatment for insulin might cost $500 in total hospital charges in US, but the same treatment would only be $5 in most European countries or Canada, but US would record +$500 GDP for that but doesnt mean its getting 100x the value. 50 Reply 4 replies @arnold-fx 3 days ago What is America's interest in Taiwan? Protecting Democracy? Well, then why doesn't this come up in the Middle East? 3 Reply 1 reply @canseal1039 2 days ago Living with a prosperous China is not difficult if you are willing to accept that China is part of this global village that believes in prosperity for everyone. She has no intention to lord over any country. All that is needed is a change of mindset. It’s as simple as that. On Taiwan, except for the west, the global majority has already accepted that she is a province of China. And even if she moves in to take over the administration, trust me, none of the global majority will protest. 3 Reply 1 reply @gordanaginamihajlovska6125 1 year ago I suggest Hugh updates his history of Russia... 7 Reply 1 reply @风雪故园 11 months ago (edited) Living with Chinese power will be much safer than, what the whole world had experienced, living with Anglo-Saxon and other European colonial powers. At least for the 1st 300 years... 5 Reply @robertseaborne5758 1 year ago As tragic and bloody as it is, the war in Ukraine is a mere side show compared to what is actually happening between the so called unipolar world order and a newly emerging so called multipolar world order. It amounts to being a contest between a US dominated unipolar world that advocates neo-liberalism and a China dominated multi polar world that advocates neo-socialism. As for where this is leading the human race; the expression 'follow the money' is still relevant advice. The global economic centre of gravity is migrating from its Anglo/American/EU centres toward eventually settling within Eurasia, where it will be kept economically viable and secure by a core China/Russia strategic trading and military alliance.The US dollar as global reserve currency will be replaced by a multiple of gold backed currencies, enabling more economic security and trading flexibility between sovereign states and thereby eliminating the economic domination of a single nation state. 11 Reply @Kwockie007 1 year ago Hugh’s dissertation on this topic is very honest, logical, accurate and thus plausible from most Westerner thinking. But as he admits that he is not a Sinologist and takes cognisance of the views of those Sinologist, presumably of Western origin, those views Are Not from the Chinese. They are still Western perceptions of what they believe are of Chinese origins. As a Chinese who has been educated and lived in Australia for nearly 70 years, it is abundantly clear to me that if I interpret all Aussie behaviour from a Chinese perspective, I am going to be wrong, especially on issues which have a cultural slant. I believe that if Hugh did spent some time with Martin Jacques and Kishore Mahbubani discussing China and the Chinese, Hugh will be an invaluable asset to bridging the gap of Western perception of the Chinese, for Australia and more importantly to the Anglo Saxon diaspora all over the world. Just by way of a cursory realignment of thinking, the world assumes Chinese as a race, but it behaves as a culture. It has evolved over possibly over 5000 years, the constituencies been 56 ethnicities, of which more recent ones are the the Uighur and Hui Muslims, whose uniqueness are confronting the integration into the constant evolution of the “ Han Culture “ , the Hans as a race constitutes the dominant 85% of the population. The very nature of Culture imputes that Time can also be measured in larger scales in decades and even in centuries. Without this characteristic in the culture, the Great Wall whose construction spread over centuries, could not happened. The Grand Canal of 1800km as it is today, which started in 540 BC and completed in 1327. Yet in 2015, a busy bridge in Beijing was replaced in 43 hours for use of normal traffic. This demonstrates the propensity to embrace technology and the eagerness to adopt technology to advance its infrastructure. The underlying characteristic of the culture is that everything has a price to be paid, even in terms of human life, when the longer term or future is at stake. It is inconceivable for the West to condone the loss of millions of Chinese lives in Mao’s Great Leap Forward, Tiananmen Massacre etc., but without these, the people do not believe that China can advanced to what the nation is what it is, today. The difficulty for the West to comprehend the Chinese is its innate evangelical obsession which highlights the Chinese aversion to interfere in the internal affairs of nations they interact with, whether it is in trade or other matters. I hope this is the genesis for a departure of thinking, intractably embedded in Western thought and thinking. centuries 7 Reply 1 reply @derricau 1 year ago China does not seek to dominate as all their main goal is to secure economic growth for them and the region. They have no interest in war unless provoked. If Australia continues to follow the US, it will serve no benefit to Aussies. China is happy to trade fairly with their partners and look for win win. But for Countries who continue to bring up fake issues like Xinjiang and Hong Kong and even to stir up color revolution and think they can still trade as if nothing has happened, then there's no point in discussing with China because they will not budge on those topics. 14 Reply @hosz5499 1 year ago clear and balanced arguments! Australia is better off to be diplomatic with China/India, befriend Indonesia etc, less dependent on US protection for the eventual rise of India/China; their combined economy already equals US. 19 Reply 1 reply @PhilipWong55 10 months ago "We've relied on them to keep Asia and make Asia safe for us" The US has recognized Asia as a potential threat in the top-secret U.S. Foreign Policy written 76 years ago. Japan and the Philippines are cornerstones of the strategy to keep Asia poor and divided. February 24, 1948, Declassified U.S. Foreign Policy: Furthermore, we have about 50% of the world’s wealth but only 6.3% of its population. This disparity is particularly great as between ourselves and the peoples of Asia. In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security. ... that Japan and the Philippines will be found to be the corner-stones of such a Pacific security system and that if we can contrive to retain effective control over these areas there can be no serious threat to our security from the East within our time. Taiwan was added to the Pacific security system after Chiang's army retreated to the island of Taiwan in 1949. South Korea was added after the Korean War in 1953. The attempt with Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia was abandoned in 1975. The 1989 attempt in China failed. The 2019-2020 attempt in Hong Kong also failed. 6 Reply @tengchuankhoo6585 9 months ago Why are Anglos so obsessed with power - to subjugate others? 4 Reply @Kwockie007 9 months ago There is a fundamental flaw in Hugh White’s dissertation on war and for that matter all conflict as fundamentally, it has to defend an entity called Morality. Conflicts are caused by abrogation or diminishing of morality by one party more than the other and in order to try to reach an equilibrium, the parties can negotiate, and in certain circumstances they do arrive at parity of satisfaction. Even Hugh is wrong to assign that the breakdown of the Soviet Union is caused by the defeat at the hands of the West. The Soviet Union with age didn’t cater for the spiritual and economic aspirations of the various nations within it and politically, it imploded. Government change because the incumbent is not able to cater adequately to the needs and expectations of the governed. So if people infers incorrectly the reason for the demise of the Soviet Union, they will carry a baggage of incorrect assumptions with far reaching consequences as they will distort the image of the future. Hugh’s assertion of the war in the Ukraine is a direct consequence of the Invasion of Russia, is flawed because it ignores the compellingly reason the the West reneging on its undertaking to not expand NATO west of Germany when East and West Germany were allowed to reunite in 1990. Academics are generally snobs because they feel like they can pontificate and nobody can challenge them. There is such an entity as the fact and another truism that if you cannot feel like a Chinaman, you don’t think like a Chinaman and vice versa. So every idea Hugh interposes on what the Chinese would do belongs to him and whilst it makes good reading, it doesn’t represent the reality which will transpire. The Chinese on the other hand has a plethora of academics who have been educated and lived in the West and familiar with the nuances of the English Language. Hence they are more likely to read the correct interpretation. So this potential disconnect in understanding between diplomats and others is more likely to emanate from the West. The tragedy is the ill founded confidence the Westerners carry with them in interpreting the Chinese . Humility can go a long way to diminish this misstep and despite not educated in Mandarin, the likes of Prof.Kishore Mahbubani and Martin Jacques seem to read the Chinese well. Former US Ambassador Stapleton grew up in China and together with a couple of others have been great assets in consolidating US/China relationships in the past. 3 Reply @robertseaborne5758 1 year ago (edited) Every caring adult Australian should listen to this lecture delivered by Australian Prof' Hugh White; it is an excellent analysis of the increasing geopolitical tension between China and the US within the SE Pacific Region. However, we should not assume that America is the only one with allies EG; The Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) strategy could continue to be a strong enough deterrent against nuclear war if and when Russia and China form a strategic military alliance that announces to the world in general and the US in particular; that a nuclear war against one would inevitably be a nuclear war against both, China and Russia. Only then might the strategy be MAD enough to deter the even more insane American neocons. 18 Reply 1 reply @7Samadhi777 1 year ago Morally better than China and Russia indeed! And said with a straight face as if we have never heard of the West’s serial insurgencies…. And as for economies, there are few if any other economies currently as centralised or fraudulent as those of the US and western countries…. Ditto for democracies that are skin deep procedural ones in the west that preclude the input of the electorate whereas China’s is substantive, requiring participation and feedback at the grassroots level… 19 Reply 3 replies @multipolarworldorder 8 months ago The Multi Polar world seeks co operation mutual benefit and no meddling in politics. 3 Reply @HTeo-og1lg 1 year ago The US has to learn to live in a multi-polar world, for humanity's sake. 6 Reply @amunra5330 1 year ago Stay neutral Australia there is no need to be hostile to China. Dont side with either China or the US look after yourselves. 2 Reply @andrewmantle7674 1 year ago Wow. How refreshing was that. Why hasn’t this been broadcast on the ABC or SBS. It’s a bit of an ask to think the commercial networks would pick it up but they should. The public need to be more informed. Only then will we be more engaged in global affairs and demand the quality of Leadership required to navigate us through these difficult changing times. 10 Reply 4 replies @jimrule8652 1 year ago What are our value we see people in America homelessness and poverty and lots of killing in America, The answer is simple get NATO out of Eastern Europe that what Putin wanted a buffer zone between East and West it makes sense, We don't talk peace that's a good value to have, Please tell what are your value 5 Reply @meimiaolin2581 1 year ago This man is from a time when "The Coming Collapse of China" by Gordon Chang and "The End of History" by Francis Fukuyama were on the New York Times Best Sellers List. He is so shaken up by the future he's flubbing his speech. 15 Reply 1 reply @turtlesoup8134 10 months ago US led order is morally better? 3 Reply @johnlee-yo8jc 2 years ago A big fan of Mr. White. Unlike other "experts", Mr. White is honest. 23 Reply 6 replies @chriswong9158 7 months ago 58:00 Australia's Defence Policy In 2023 Explained - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgspkxfkS4k 1 Reply @NoohCee 11 months ago Morally better???? Pure evil!!!!!!!!! 3 Reply @elliskaranikolaou2550 1 year ago Epitomises typical Anglo Australian sentiments. It's a historical and racial sentiment that many Australians are clinging to, but will fade as the Baby Boomers pass on. 8 Reply @ayambo3281 1 year ago (edited) Selective observations by Hugh White when he says the US hasn’t been an intrusive power in the Western hemisphere. To his credit he is much more pragmatic and clear about Australia’s place in Asia than the warmongers, though as with all other so called China experts, he fails to understand that China will never attack Taiwan if the troublemakers leave the people of Taiwan to coexist with the mainland. 3 Reply @grantguy8933 9 months ago Taiwan is not our core interest and their conflict is their wwii civil war continuation. Our border is wide open to let in millions invade every year. What is the point to focus on Taiwan? 2 Reply @jimrule8652 2 years ago What happens if Tulsi Gabbard wins the next election to be President Tulsi Gabbard is for peace which would change everything 7 Reply 2 replies @HappyPandaBear73 8 months ago Absolutely Fascinating! TEAM CHINA ALL THE WAY!👍🙂 1 Reply @Novideos00 1 year ago professor Hugh White speaks a lot of down to earth common sense cognisant of current geopolitical realities. What should define Australian foreign policy should be based on Australian interests in the Asia Pacific balancing off the US, China, India and Indonesia. Countries like Singapore, Vietnam, Malaysia and the Phillipines are in the same boat. Perhaps there can be more cooperation with these countries to present a united voice for a multipolar world where there can be peaceful coexistence and trade moving away from a zero sum game strategy. If enough countries in south East Asia are united in their voice for neutrality, peaceful coexistence and trade. The four super and regional powers will be forced to listen. This could be one of the guard rails that will prevent conflict and war. 🤔 3 Reply 1 reply @cryptorenegade1406 7 months ago The framing of this video is problematic, it should be reframed to "Living with multipolar power" not Chinese, why? xi jinping time and again reiterated that China is not interested in leading but rather leave it up to BRICS 2 Reply @orvilleclisby6748 8 months ago (edited) The key is integrity and whoever is worthy of upholding that. A peoples wealth and happiness has to be measured over many hundreds of years along with it's transparency of rule to measure it's greatness as a kingdom. A democratic puppet based model may not necessarily be superior to what China presently has which could be improved by changing the Confucius concept of hierarchy. A worthy leader of both family and of state should be based on the capacity to earn and share the fruits of it's work. How a civilisation traditionally treats the marketplace is also of extreme importance and the trust built from business relationships without the need for legal practitioners. 1 Reply @alaskavaper2490 11 months ago I am a huge fan of Mr Wright. His current analysis of global politics is spot on ! Reply @jimn1023 7 months ago (edited) How could one turn their back on the rules based international order? One can only look in awe at a country that's prepared to sacrifice their economy to be a part of it. Listening to the prof makes me realize how out of step i am with the intelligencia 1 Reply @peterleung8372 1 year ago Using Chinese against Chinese 2 Reply @johnchen4061 7 months ago America not intrusive in other countries’ internal politics? That must be meant to be a joke!? 1 Reply @yttean98 9 months ago Prof. H. White is one of few exception people who is willing to stick his neck to narrate a narrative that is contrary to mainstream government storyline which the politicians want you to accept. 1 Reply @kaimingraymondchoi9909 1 year ago During the question and answer session, a gentleman said he thinks it is too expensive for China. I could not agree more. And indeed it is much more than expensive. It is affordability. China simply could not afford any war at all because it has 1.4billion mouths to feed. China has shown to the world that peace is number one important. It is for the world of course. But it is more for itself. It could not afford a war. 2 Reply 1 reply @medialcanthus9681 1 year ago (edited) A wise pragmatic and peaceful man. 2 Reply @KayyHong 8 months ago This biased man talks about Russia's invasion of Ukraine but not a word about America's invasion of Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and so many others. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is justified for National Security reason --- NATO was expanded from 16 countries to 30 all the way to the Russian border, Ukraine was the straw that broke the camel's back. When the U.S.S.R. shipped missiles to Cuba, we know what happened. Would America do nothing if Mexico and China formed a military alliance and allowed Chinese military bases in Mexico? The genocide in Gaza is supported with U.S. money and weapons. How is the U.S. unipolar "rules based order" fair and moral?????? 4 Reply @wowyzaoy 1 year ago oh good, 26 thousand years of humanity. we are just beginning to learn how to live each other. 1 Reply @lakeice7581 9 months ago I don’t think there is a town or city in the world where you can’t get and egg roll and some fried rice. Chinese cuisine has been at to forefront of Chinese power for centuries. Chinese have converted billions of people to be fans of their local Chinese restaurant. 1 Reply @desmondho9567 1 year ago Multipolar order combination. 1) US and Western countries + Japan, South Korea 2) Russia and East Europe countries, China , North Korea. 3) ASEAN countries 4) Middle East countries + Pakistan. 5) India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka. 6) Africa continent countries 7) Latin America Countries 8) Also all other small pacific island countries. 2 Reply 1 reply @minhng7208 10 months ago 11.00. Broadly supported only by 13% of the world population, aka the minority, if we talk about this democratically. The West should stop this condescending attitude. 200 years of Western domination as compared to 3-5000 years of Indian, Chinese, etc. Culture and Civilisation. Wow. 2 Reply @politics102 2 years ago In times of rapid change crystal gazing is hard, it will be interesting to see if and how quickly this speech becomes dated. 3 Reply @foodparadise5792 10 months ago 20 minutes into the video and stop watching, made a lot of projections and baseless presumptions while neglecting the obvious evidence. 1 Reply @peterleung8372 1 year ago Living with British and American power was just as Bad 1 Reply @davec2310 4 days ago (edited) The scariest thing for me is that the nuclear explosions could knock earth off its orbit and either cause an ice age or rapid increase in heat Reply @stevenwebbjrhistory 1 year ago What a difference a year makes huh. 1 Reply @colinchia5318 8 months ago All occupiers in Australia must leave. 1 Reply @yakuzazero3840 3 days ago I mean, hoping Australia to sit between India and China and play them off each other is absolutely delusional. Firstly any sensible observer would understand that, India, without drastical and foundamental reform on social and political level, is currently and will in future have a very hard time catching up with China in almost all spectrums regarding geopolitcal power contest, which means India will have a fairly low chance to be a peer competitor to share dominance with China in the described after-US era Asia. Secondly it is also questionable for Australia to really have that much importance for China and India (for discussion sake) to let Australia to have its way of "confortably sitting in between and my position on weather China or India will make a huge difference on their Asia dominance prospect". The cold hard fact is it just not that important. 1 Reply @mysuzyq1100 3 days ago Amazing, this was two years ago, and he accurately predicted that Russia would prevail, despite the Western assumption at the time, that economic sanctions and NATO weaponry would defeat them. Reply @DenisDeCharmoy-fl3ht 7 months ago According to ancient scriptures in Aramaic language, is that both countries will be aligned together. It mentions Gog (Russia) and Magog (China) will become ONE together alongside all countries that end names in -stan like Pakis-stan and all countries that are on their border's will join them to become ONE Force together. Shalom the Truth will set you free. Reply @jimmychoi5219 4 days ago Professor White should read up more about the Ukraine war which did not start 3 years ago but in 2014 with the Maidan coup... Reply @jimrule8652 2 years ago What about India and Indonesia they could be number one economy in 10 years if that the case the war with China be a waste of time, 3 Reply 1 reply @chriswong9158 7 months ago 1:00:00 former Henry Kissinger Quote: “To be an enemy of America can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.” Reply @trinitiusw6145 1 year ago Kudos to the Royal Society. This was a thoroughly intellectually honest lecture. So satisfying to watch. 1 Reply @who-dn5cl 2 days ago Prof White is a very wise and realistic power dominance analyst at the time in 2022 for Australia's sanity. Australia should have more thinkers like him influencing the Aussie government. Unfortunately he may not have the resources to go deeper into the reasons why Russia started the Special Military Operation. It is now Jan 2025, time slowly reveals the reasons why the Ukraine conflict still exists. Time reveals the unrealistic actions of the European governments in supporting Ukraine conflict. Time reveals why the EU economies, industrial powers are diminishing. Time reveals how US is deciding future of its allies. Now its up to Australia voters to decide reality and its own future. Australia like UK plays no significant military outcome in the South China Sea. Australia should be wiser to look at its economy and trading strengths. It will be a nightmare for Australia when USA insist on Australia not to trade with its neighbours. Just remember that USA uses covert ways to influence Australian foreign policies. Reply @DarionBatesSG 9 months ago The Southern Hemisphere needs some longterm Presidents and PMs ,its a must for the Stability for progressive progress of countrys to align too Reply @nelsonc3984 1 year ago It is great to hear the facts. Unfortunately we hear a lot of bulldust from the blissfully ignorant people. 1 Reply @harbinger6562 7 months ago Thank You ❤️🇦🇺🦾😇👋 Reply @abies2000 2 days ago Thoughtful. But still unable to overcome the imperial vassal mindset of Australian academia. Of course that independence would mean big violent trouble with our powerful owner. Reply @jimrule8652 11 months ago What do we want ,The American system people living in poverty and homelessness I wont to know who looks after it people the best ,Australia sacrifice it troops, and we have people homeless and in poverty, China is getting there people out of poverty, in other words CHINA is looking after it people a lot better 1 Reply @PhilipWong55 10 months ago (edited) Many of the world's problems stem from one group considering themselves superior to another and denying the rights or existence of others, believing that they are entitled to more than others. These divisions can be based on race, religion, gender, class, politics, nationality, culture, generation, education, ability, and geography. One group even has a written agreement with God that grants them special privileges and land. All of these divisions are caused by a scarcity mindset, characterized by fear of losing something, anxiety about not having enough, insecurity about lacking security, and greed for more. This mindset always strives for a win-lose outcome, where one's gain is someone else's loss. As Obama's Pivot to Asia suggests, "If over a billion Chinese citizens have the same living patterns as Australians and Americans do right now, then all of us are in for a very miserable time. The planet just can't sustain it." This scarcity mindset often leads to war, military action, colonization, slavery, and exploitation. However, these divisions can be mitigated by adopting an abundance mindset, which is characterized by cooperation, resource-sharing, and win-win outcomes. Avoiding war by using tools such as trade, commerce, diplomacy, and connectivity is possible. The scarcity mindset views the abundance mindset tool kit as coercive trade, debt trap, wolf warrior diplomacy, despotic infrastructure, assertiveness, and aggressively peaceful. It is the difference between mindsets. Each thinks that it is acting rationally and is on the right path. The world's richest and most powerful country faces these problems: Economic inequality, inflation, stagnant real wages for the last forty years, costly healthcare, an expensive education system, student loan debt totaling $1.7 trillion with an average balance of $38,000, poor public transportation systems, racial inequality, mass incarceration, the militarization of police, deteriorating infrastructure, housing affordability, homelessness, the opioid epidemic, and gun violence. Regional poles: African Union, 1340 million India, 1408 million China, 1412 million European Union, 747 million ASEAN, 683 million Latin American Union, 654 million Islamic Union, 512 million Five Eyes (US, UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand), 399 million Non-regional organizations: BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa), 3400 million Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO), 3200 million Pan-Islamic Union, 1800 million This professor is advocating cleverly playing off each of these poles against each other. Reply @Daniel-jp1tj 2 years ago Found it a very informative discussion, looking forward to getting through the quarterly essay. 6 Reply @geechan4744 11 months ago BS 1 Reply @kongomon2 1 year ago With all the atrocities done by the devils in Africa how can this guy talk about morality? 1 Reply @DarionBatesSG 9 months ago There has to be Large stability for commerce to pivot around. Reply @alanfriesen9837 1 year ago America in the Western hemisphere has not been intrusive? You may want to speak with some of our Latin American neighbors about that. I agree that Australia could be comfortable in a multi-polar world. As far as playing China and India off of each other, unless China is greatly reduced through a war with the United States, India will not be on par with China in military or economic power for some time—probably for the rest of the century. As a great power India may be on par with Russia, but of course Russia will probably have a very limited role in the Pacific because of their geography, but it won't be non-existent. 1 Reply @vdharma 8 months ago Thank you Prof White. Most of all for laying out a context broad enough for grappling seriously with the questions you raised. One thought on China - I worry it might copy the US as a model of what it means to be a superpower if it ever reaches that status. But as to its aggressiveness towards Taiwan, I blame the US. It knew the mind of China's leaders, took advantage of it and drove a wedge between the two. And China fell for it! Reply @charlesoh14 1 year ago Hugh wrote the last paragraph of his speech first…….. clearly has more reading to do. Don’t stop now 1 Reply @楊吉蒂-f1w 20 hours ago (edited) World power need balance but no super power is for entirely humanity is now few word definition 🎉🎉🎉 no Oligarch system Reply @hclau218 5 hours ago Wrong title, but typical of Western "experts". The subject to discuss should really be. (for western countries). Learning to live without exploiting and oppressing global south countries. Reply @marieblanchedumont5634 1 day ago You can stay the universalpower with those who wants to be lied, steal, ignored, that is ok with the Bricks Reply @wk9378 8 months ago (edited) White is wrong. The alternative is a system which his more financial oriented which also is able to accommodate a wider range of political systems. Isn't that a better form of democracy? This system will be more focus on good governance versus ideology. Reply @ObservableUniverse888 7 months ago Take it easy! Chinese cannot be bothered to muddle with Australia's fair, beside fairness. Other eye for eye😂 Reply @CarlRoberts-h2v 3 months ago It is very easy you just have to be rightious and apperate others opinions agree to disagree and be humble that is not hard to do got it ❤❤ Reply @kaimingraymondchoi9909 1 year ago The political air in US has no room for muti-polar system. Reply @RichardSmith-ix1dc 1 year ago Ignorance is bliss! 1 Reply @lawrencengu9505 4 days ago My last negative comments on Professor White's views on the USA, China, and Australia were about how he articulated these countries' relationships, which naturally projected the typical arrogance of White Western Cultures. It is like a reminder to "Third World Countries" the saying "A Leopard doesn't change its spot." However, he also revealed a number of facts about the current strength of China and the USA and that Australia's survival strategy to be one of the dominant powers must rely on its own independent sovereignty and capable of producing some good diplomacy with all other Nations going forward. Reply @Andy-P 1 year ago Good point Europe had a multi-polar order for a long time. And as the CCP keep pointing out a good few wars. Reply @esp4yu 8 months ago The thing is Westerners are not Asians ... Culture is so different. Besides there is mo Winning in a War but Win-Win is about Co-Existence. We have experienced what's it like in CoVid, in nature there could another similar to 'CoVid' where millions is at stake. War is about Power. Why War where there is Peace? Reply @williamoverton222 1 day ago That's all In your mind like the boogie man under your bed. He's just NOT there, ok? How many times are you gonna keep staring under your bed for all these nightmarish entities that aren't there? When you mess up your suit, you don't go to another and ask them to adjust theirs do you? You stand up in the mirror and fix yourself up. You fix your own necktie when it's out of place, you don't go reach out and fix someone else's necktie.😳 What's wrong with Arizona's semiconductor Company, it's the same as Taiwan's isn't it? Don't they produce the same identical chips? Reply @DarionBatesSG 9 months ago The world caused Brexit to tell a Royal Conterfeit Goods had been noticed. Reply @DarionBatesSG 9 months ago Ten Grand Pomnes dont disagree Sir .... Reply @terrywong7879 10 months ago Unfortunately Hugh White has a western colonial academic mind set. The Chinese have never imposed any rules but only offer commerce and trade so I don't see any difference in your world. In your world you are guilty, now prove to me you are innocent. 1 Reply @terencenxumalo1159 1 year ago good work Reply @jimrule8652 2 years ago Q 2 is for Ukraine and Russia be one country, Q 3 carry on the same with the killing and war Reply @jimrule8652 11 months ago Please talk to the expat in Russia and China and they say how safe it is in Russia and how safe it is in China children in China and Russia are safe How safe are they in America no not safe in the streets, How many troops have we sacrifice for America with out a sense of purpose, Reply @DarionBatesSG 9 months ago Some people claimedi was mad byilding canals in the niddle of rhe outback,,but they ikwd ut when i leasedThe Great Barrier Reef and Aires Rock .ThisBrit likes publicswith financiL options. Reply @mikelixx 1 year ago Great speech Reply @dubchile 1 year ago Another one of those 'Russian bad guys' talks. I listened to this hoping to hear an encouraging interlectual perspective, originating from good ol' Oz, but.. There's no hope. Do people really believe this spoon-fed anti-Russian/pro-USA rhetorical poppycock? Surely not! I would liketo hear a discussion between yer fella here and Noam Chomsky, he'd eat this guy for breakfast. With respect though he has got China's economy fairly right, although that is one complicated topic and has many facets. 3 Reply @chriswong9158 7 months ago 55:00 China’s Century of Humiliation Reply @infinity_0071 3 days ago It's crazy that they include India when they West is in trouble 😂😂 Reply @powersthatthinktheybe 1 year ago We will not Reply @makuohua3071 8 months ago (edited) This is 21st Centuries Era not the 20th Centuries now Everything things Changes is norms accordingly naturally Adaptations is needed to Changes is Common sense . Forget the past in Changing world situations rest depends the mindset Frames . China left the rest in it trajectory momentum for its Survival those who wish to contain will regrets those who cooperate will benefits 😂❤🎉. Fate and Time Never wait and listen to anybody no matter How Powerful and intellectual, rich ,academic one is 😂❤🎉 . Reply @alfred-vz8ti 1 year ago living with prc is easy. i wish oz would learn to live without usa. i know the place well - really, no ethical person would have anything to do with them. Reply @dunkinpossum 10 months ago C'mon in SPINNER!! Reply @billwood3766 1 year ago Who are these people and what do they want? How did they get on my feed? I'm getting hungry, what's for lunch? Reply @marieblanchedumont5634 1 day ago I am leaving he is so mentally sick just like the usa government Reply @ganboonmeng5370 10 months ago The world want a new leader " China " ...the last one sucks😂 Reply @mistman5640 2 years ago Australia First. All kidding aside, United States will defend Taiwan, cheaply. Professor White, although this is difficult, need to outline what Australia is willing compromise with China in exchange. Reply 5 replies @jorgelouisborges-v9f9tf8 13 hours ago America will defeat China because God is with us. It is God's will tbsg America lead the world, now and for ever. So there's nothing China can do that will change this. God is with us. Reply @MarcoLihas 1 year ago Very good point of view and good lecture Reply @marieblanchedumont5634 1 day ago I prefer china Reply @chongyeeyap9747 9 months ago Pro. Hugh White here is your run of the mill Western minded ideologue, not a jot of original thinking. His view of the moral standing of Russia's war on Ukraine does not take into account of the "west" commitment "not to encroach 1 inch into USSR's former vassal states. White believes that only western values count but not the values of such as Russia and or China's; why are actions of western nations moral and Others are not. Why is it OK for western nations to expand but when Russia and or China expand, their actions are a threat. Prof. White here is disappointing. His views are bias and boring ! Reply @ccwwfoundationforbes7487 1 year ago Clearly he hasn't seen the trending hashtag #WarForTaiwan on X (formally known as Twitter) 😂 Reply @tony538 10 months ago you believe in the democracy of the west like the democracy in gaza or Iraq or lybia or afghanistan or africa, maybe you need education instead of lecture us about your freedom loving bs Reply @walentystankiewicz8486 8 months ago Prof. White represents shallow morality and a meager understanding of geopolitics, a waste of time to listen to his lecture. Reply @carlossenequiert4791 11 months ago Esto dice mucho sobre el grado de ceguera en las antípodas,se explaya sobre la invasión rusa de Ucrania,pero hay un gran silencio sobre las diversas guerras imperiales,en Irak,Afganistán,siria,libia,Yemen y el Sudan,que han contribuido cos sus consiguientes derrotas a socavar el hegemón imperial,lo demás no es más que un conjunto de suposiciones sin fundamento que mina su neutralidad intelectual,pésima conferencia hecha de ignorancia y presuposiciones básicamente racistas que subyacen en todo su discurso. Reply @johnnytsang2047 1 year ago Yeah we love bullys ! Reply @marieblanchedumont5634 1 day ago That is in your stupid head Reply @peterleung8372 1 year ago The speaker was BS Reply @qake2021 1 month ago 🤣🤣🤣🤣 FAKE expert 😝😝😝😝 Reply @gregohb 1 year ago "Peace in our time" - The US has kept the seas safe and free for decades to allow global free trade - and you live on an island. The US and Australia have fought side by side from WWII, Korean War, Vietnam war, etc. We share a language, culture, and democracy. If you want to deal with a murderous dictator in China or an India that deeply resents Anglophones for their brutal colonization - be my guest. Professor Sell-out. 2 Reply 2 replies @engnews987 7 months ago Full of BS!!! Reply @JamesPeach 1 year ago 25:00 HUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Reply @alexharnden7121 1 year ago 😂 Reply @tombouie 11 months ago I guesses yous won't have to kowtow down to the CCP. after all Buts if you want to, go-ahead ;) Reply @lastfirst6626 1 year ago He's not worth a comment. And I think he's swelling gin during the Q/A. Reply @ObservableUniverse888 7 months ago great speech❤❤ Reply @harbinger6562 7 months ago But why less war more Trade Tourism and Economic Development 🤔❤️🇨🇳🇦🇺🦾😇 Reply @engnews987 7 months ago Full of BS!!! 1 Reply @engnews987 7 months ago Full of BS!!! Reply