My father spent years of his time in the desert and mountains away from our home in Beijing. Tens of thousands scientists, engineers, workers were involved in the project. My father was one of the engineers.
The really hard part of developing atomic weapons isn't the design, it is having the industrial capacity to produce the materials necessary. If you look at the budget of the Manhattan Project, Los Alamos + R&D was only 7.5% of the entire budget. The rest was mostly the industrial infrastructure to produce the enriched uranium and plutonium. The real utility of Soviet aid was the development of the industrial infrastructure that enabled the development of nuclear weapons, and not transfers of specific knowledge about nuclear weapon design.
Qian Xuesen, or Hsue-shen Tsien, was a Chinese aerospace engineer and cyberneticist who made significant contributions to the field of aerodynamics and established engineering cybernetics. He moved to the US to study at MIT, from where he was recruited to join Theodore von Kármán's group at Caltech. Wikipedia, He was not a nuclear physicist
Great video, well researched, not biased against either the West, China or the Soviets, very informative and the subject matter is very interesting. I think a good director could make a nice movie about this story, provided he's given enough creative freedom.
edit: it has been brought to my attention that there is already a movie on this, 横空出世 or "Roaring across the horizon"
I remember studying the Karman-Tsien compressibility correction rule in gas dynamics (aerodynamics) class in 1968 at Manchester University, UK. It was disgraceful that Prof Theodore von Karman never supported his protege Dr Hsueh-Shen Tsien during Sen. McCarthy's disgusting trials. Dr Tsien's bachelor degree in China was in railway engineering. Dr Tsien was a prolific researcher - not just in fluid mechanics. He also wrote several papers in solid mechanics (e.g. warping of solid hollow tubes etc.). A full account of his life and work can be found in the book "Thread of the Silkworm" by Iris Chang.
Thank you, I know a lot about the American, British, Russian, and Israel's nuclear weapons development efforts as I am an electrical engineer, I am by nature fascinated by such high technology projects as this. This has highlighted me about something I knew very little. I was not aware of their Gaseous diffusion plant, at their Lanzhou Nuclear Fuel Complex as this is new for me. Nor was I aware that they used uranium with an implosion design. The only reason they used the implosion design with plutonium was because the presence of Pu-240 meant that the bomb would start to pre-detonate long before a critical mass could be attained with gun design plutonium bomb, although the Americans did attempt to design a gun type plutonium bomb. Uranium 235 does not have that problem.
Thank you, as this is content and reporting you rarely hear about.
Imagine my surprise to see, at 7:40, in a video about the Chinese atomic bomb, a photograph showing the Irish Taoiseach, Eamonn de Valera, sitting in the centre of the front row!
Alongside Arthur Eddington, Paul Dirac and Erwin Schrodinger. It's remarkable that Peng Huanwu, who went on to be one of the leaders of the Chinese nuclear weapons programme, was based at the Dublin Institute of Advanced Studies in the early 1940s, and that this meeting of eminent physicists took place there in 1942, in the midst of the largest war ever to occur in Europe.
I remember my friend telling me about how his grandad, who was a party member, illegally went to see the first atomic bomb test. I wish I got to talk to him, but he was living in Chongqing while my friend and I were in Beijing at the time. Really fascinating history, glad that you made a video covering it.
Interestingly enough, China celebrates their acquisition of nukes together with their accomplishment of launching a satellite into space (Two Bombs, One Satellite), and my ears perked up when you said nuke development was done at Jiuquan because that’s also where they first launched satellite into orbit (and continues to be a popular launch site).
Great video. If I'm allowed to be picky ...
1. Qian Xuesen was by no means a nuclear physicist. He was a brilliant aerodynamics engineer.
2. Mao's attitude to Khrushchev's secret report on Stalin was "dialectical" and not at all personal. His own words were "Khrushchev uncovered (the truth) but caused trouble" and "comrade Stalin made grave mistakes but (Stalinism) shouldn't be abandoned completely".
3. Chinese scientists and officials will of course downplay Soviet's role, but without Soviet's guidance and help, China's nuclear bomb project would be a mission impossible.
@25:34 It wasn't just the broken treaty, The USSR and PRC were in open ground battles in Manchuria during this time. So from the Chinese perspective, they were caught between 2 nuclear armed enemies (three if you count England, a former colonial invader), which was highly motivational and worth the cost even during the worst of the "Grate leap forward", from their perspective.
I know you hit on that, but I don't think you really emphasized that context enough.
Solid content
No bias, no BS.
Suggestion: review the chinese nuclear deterrence strategy document.
For all the fear and paranoia propaganda we consume in the west concerning China, their nuclear policy is level headed and reasonable.
For someone who stands completely on the Western side, it is indeed difficult to understand the self-reliance and self-improvement of the Chinese people
Very good video, as always.
Just one small correction: 21:45 says: "The key issue the Chinese bomb design needed to do was to properly synchronize the high explosives so to kickstart a series of nuclear chain reactions. A bad timing issue means stray neutrons running around - a premature neutron burst resulting in an overall unsatisfactory performance."
The story is a little bit more nuanced. First, multiple detonators need to fire simultaneously within about a microsecond, simply because without this the symmetrical implosion does not happen, and the material does not get compressed to a sufficiently supercritical state for a rapid chain reaction.
Second, the chain reaction needs to start at the precise moment this supercritical state is achieved -- not sooner, not later. To prevent premature chain reaction, the compression of plutonium needs to be much more rapid than the rate at which neutrons happen spontaneously. This is the whole point why explosively driven compression is used for plutonium -- to make it quick, because in plutonium there is a high rate of spontaneous fission. For uranium this aspect is not important, because there is no such background. But using implosion for uranium allows to make a bomb from several times smaller amount of uranium. (The explosives actually compress the metal, and a smaller amount can be made supercritical.) That is why China used this method.
To start the reaction at the moment of greatest supercriticality, a powerful source of neutrons must fire at exactly the right moment, again with the precision of a microsecond or so.
In the first nuclear bombs the neutron source was a mechanical device in the middle of the bomb, and it was set off by the implosion itself mixing different materials in the source. This automatically guaranteed correct timing. In the later bombs, an electronic neutron generator was used instead, located outside of the fissile material. This required firing the pulse of neutrons with a carefully calculated delay after firing the detonators.
Mutual criticism and the withdrawal of Soviet aid began in 1959.
After the Soviet intervention in Czechoslovakia, China severely criticized the Soviet Union as a "red imperialist", and the border conflict occurred in 1969. (Because Vietnam refused to criticize the Soviet Union about the Prague Spring, China began to withdraw some aid to Vietnam, and after the death of Mao Zedong, China stopped all aid to Vietnam)
The "Washington Post" revealed that the Soviet Union planned to conduct a "surgical" strike against China.
From the mid-1960s until 1989, the Soviet Union was China's main defense target.
Because Vietnam was allied with the Soviet Union, this led to a border war between China and Vietnam from 1979-1989.
The economic difficulties from the 1950s to the 1980s cannot be simply attributed to Mao Zedong’s economic policies, but because most of the experience was in wars or building defense industries to prepare for possible wars, and also to assist other international allies (Africa, Southeast Asia, Algeria, etc. )
Today, it’s semiconductor, very similar situation, the Americans still the main reason why China need the advanced chips technology but the actual factor that propel China needs to achieve the breakthrough as soon as possible is not Russia technical help but the absent of Netherland and Japan equipments. Chinese experts working in US still receive same treatments from the Americans, many coming back to help the motherland, history proven China can achieve anything if they fully put their efforts into it.
I like how the Chinese fooled their enemies cleverly. It’s ironic, the same thing happened to China’s space program when the US denied China’s entry into the ISS, which accelerated their path to space. Thumbs up to the Chinese.
This will be China once it catches up in EUV and semiconductors, "Exceptionalism" exists everywhere, the key factor in anything is to know if it's possible, if we know it's possible, brilliant minds will do it, and China has plenty.
I really appreciate your attention to punctuating Chinese words correctly! Most YouTubers covering China topics are inapt in even pronouncing Xi (They usually go with Xse) Jinping correctly!
Sometimes you have to salute to these Chinese scientists, generation by generation, they have not given up, determined to go extra mile for their goals.
One of my friends (very old now, I don't know if she is still alive) is a lady who did her studies in France with a Chinese student. He called her much later and gave his name, asking her if she remembered him. He then said that he had become the father of the Chinese atomic bomb.
How much Russian tech transfer mattered is like asking how much the Soviet bomb program benefitted from espionage. The basic physics is well known, and the fact that someone had solved the engineering problem earlier is critical.
There was a nursery rhyme in China that almost every girls in China knew during Cultural Revolution. The first line goes something like: "a little rubber ball, kick it off a structure." However, no one understood what it was about. Only a few years ago, it was revealed it was commemoration of Ma Lan Base which was in the center of Chinese nuclear program. The "little rubber ball" actually refers to the first nuclear bomb which was detonated on a structure.
I thought about it, and it only goes so far. Kruchev was definitely right when he adhered to the motto "beter ten halve gekeerd dan ten hele gedwaald" or whatever the Russian equivalent of that Dutch saying was. It means "better turn around halfway than stray completely". Also, politicians in general, Deng Xiaoping in this case, will always embelish to look good. After the man-made hardship that China had gone through, it would legit be something to be proud of but that doesn't mean he shouldn't make it look even better!
My stepmother used to watch the nukes in Nevada from on top of her house apparently. She had a special guy fly in that just deals with issues arising from fallout exposure. Looked over her charts and said her issues weren't nuclear related.
"Sexy Zhou Enlai"
I guess you're not wrong, find it absolutely hilarious that I was thinking "Is he sexy, maybe. Wtf why is this happening"
... So good work as always!
It's ok. It will be rated the square of its actual yield, won't go off about 50% of the time right out of the box, but at only $0.37/unit, they will set them off like it's new year's eve.
In the Korea war, General MacArthur had a plan to drop 34 nuclear bombs on China before he was sacked (Wikipedia). In 1960s Britain also planned to use nuclear bombs in case of a war broke out in Southeast Asia or Hong Kong was invaded.
After that, China did not slow down its nuclear weapons research. In the three years after 1964, they developed a more powerful Nuclear fusion hydrogen bomb, which was earlier than the developed country France. Their hydrogen bomb structure has more advantages than Western ones, and can be preserved for a long time with low maintenance costs. China's two bombs protected its peaceful development for decades, and it was during the golden period of development that China gained its current strength. Their generation was very difficult, but it also benefited their children and grandchildren. There is a famous saying in China: sin in the present day, profit in the future
My granddad actually worked on the china nuclear program in the 60s. There are still things he cannot tell us because of national secret, but he did go to tsinghua university in the late 50s.
I am near 60 and when young I was working with number of older people came from the mainland. They all said they had to suffer when China had to pay USSR for any help heavily. An example of payment with food, eggs and their sizes. The size of eggs had to be larger then a sized hole to be counted. The size of the hole became bigger and bigger. The smaller sizes that didn't count still went to USSR. If anyone ask a older Chinese person or from more remote area, what do they get for their birthday.... a red egg was special for most!!
Thanks to Qian Xuesen, who not only helped China make great breakthroughs in the field of missiles and nuclear bombs, but also suggested in the 1990s that the Chinese government skip fuel vehicles and develop electric vehicles (now China is a country with advanced electric vehicle technology).
As an American officer said, he is worth at least five divisions.
my parents worked at the facility where deng jiaxian, the father of the chinese a bomb, as theoretical physicists. they dont talk about what they did tho....
Soon after the atomic bomb, China succeeded in detonating a thermo-nuclear bomb and launched its first satellite.
This was done with engineers and scientists using calcalators and slide-rulers.
What an incredibility articulated and quality piece of work. I'm just blown away by the quality of contents from this and other "China" related channels. I have to purge all the propagandas that I've learned through western my education and media.
can you also make a video about how pakistan and india was able to have nuclear bombs. I am also interested about how the middle east in general particularly in iraq and iran was close to actually developing a nuclear bomb.
You forget France in your introduction, its first nuclear bomb dates back from feb 13, 1960 or 4 years before the Chinese one. Chinese was therefore the 6th and not 5th nuclear armed nation.
The two bombs gave the Chinese room to survive, otherwise China would have been under the nuclear blackmail of the US and USSR...salute to our founding father.
Note: the gun design of the Hiroshima weapon did not shoot one piece "into" another. The "female" part, in contact with the barrel or casing of the tube, was shot around the passive "male" piece at the end of the tibe.
china got the bomb because McCarthyism and racism against American Chinese. History is about repeat itself with the current anti-china attitude. eventually a chinse AI researcher in US will get tired of the targeted crimes against chinese communities. He will go back china and help it win the AI race.
CN is the fastest country to get their hydrogen bomb after getting the atomic bomb, and with Dr. Yu Ming's new structure that differs from US & Soviet, CN's hydrogen bombs can be kept longer and cheaper while a lot of the hydrogen bombs of US & RU are ineffective now because of natural aging and lack of maintainence budget after the end of Cold War
The last line in this video about the shame of the dissolution of cooperation between the Soviet’s and the Chinese spurring the development of nuclear tech is a lesson lost on the west in the midst of chip tech restrictions.
Fun fact: a John G. Trump contributed to the bombs program by allowing one of his student, a Chinese exchange student to buy up the MIT's particle accelerator at scrap metal prices. Dr Trump covered for him by claiming to MIT that the machine was broken and he sold it as scrap and is going to buy a new one to replace it.
And yes, that's Donald Trump's uncle, the same one that president Trump would boast about saying he understands science because it runs in the family during COVID-19 pandemic.
God is greater than man, an act of kindness for this nation who helped saved 125000 Jews during the Holocaust days...and who also broker peace for the Middle Eastern nations in 2019 to 2021.
China would be no more if she doesn't have the nuclear...
God is good all the time..i bless the holy name of Jesus Christ and the benevolent PRChina
One nitpick. The first atomic bomb was an implosion design. Trinity. They didn't test the gun model because of lack of material and they had confidence in the design.
Absolutely stunning!!!!!! It would be greatly appreciated if someone could explain how the Soviet Union got their first atomic bomb in less than 5 years after the Americans manage to produce it .( The Los Alamos and other laboratories that were involved in the production of the first atomic bomb was possible because thousands of top class scientists and engineers ,many of them Europeans who escaped the Nazis.). It remains a mystery to me how the Soviet Union managed to produce their atomic and hydrogen bombs considering the fact that they were scientifically and technologically hugely inferior to the USA.
I've heard that at the end of the war in Europe, the Americans got their hands on several tons of Uranium metal from the Germans already enriched with their cyclotrons - the implications if true are pretty interesting. I believe it was the U-234.
2:01 it was nit just athreat, parts of the US Army considered it, and General MacArthur maybe wanted to use them, president Truman fired him to prevent nuclear war (though there were maybe also other issues involved).
Westerners still call chinese government CCP however it is nothing but a title, the way it functions and operate has completly changed compare to 60yrs ago.
Well researched content, except for the small mistake of Qian Xuesen being a nuclear physicist. Further reading: "China Builds the Bomb" by John Lewis & Litai Xue, and "China’s Techno-Warriors - National Security and Strategic Competition from the Nuclear to the Information Age" by Evan Feigenbaum
A lot of scientists had made huge sacrifices and until today we still don't have much info about who they were, what they did or where they did it. That's how we got the bomb. Nothing comes easy.
Great video, it was the same mindset of underestimating China's ability to innovate that gave rise to China's Space Program and which one day will allow China to dominate in AI, EV and Chip production. There is no stopping the Dragon.
Even as of today, four of the nine countries owning atomic bombs are still unable to develop their own hydrogen bombs. However China detonated its first hydrogen bomb in 1966, merely two years after the atomic bomb success. That says everything about the originality of their nuclear project.
An unsynchronised initiation of the HE would not result in predetonation as is described, but failure to achieve optimum criticality, and considering the type of initiator used in the first Chinese device, failure to produce neutrons.
In 1969, the relationship between China and the Soviet Union was very bad. There are rumors that China's intercontinental ballistic trajectory design targets are: launching missiles anywhere in mainland China can hit Moscow.
Well eventually it is just stuff you can learn in University. At the time maybe not. But you know it is a matter of separation of the 235 and 238, and production of plutonium. Then there is the hydrogen ones with extra neutron enhancing layers.
Sense of Deja-vu now considering that China's semiconductor is now effectively curtained by the US/Japan/Netherlands/etc... can China also overcome this and become domestically independent from the west and its cronies?? Well it China takes an alternate route to make chips of different materials it would be very interesting too as it seems silicon lithography limits has been reached and the price tag for such lithography equipment for below 2nm would be a real roadblock.... Anyways, China has their space station and in space certain constraints and limitations on earth doesnt apply to space devoid of gravitational fields and also affects electrical and magnetic fields....
*Summary of the YouTube video "How China Got the Bomb" by Asianometry*
This video describes the history of China's nuclear weapons program, from its beginnings in the early 1950s to its first successful nuclear test in 1964.
The video begins by explaining the context in which China decided to develop nuclear weapons. After the Chinese Civil War in 1949, the People's Republic of China was a relatively weak and isolated country. The United States and the Soviet Union were the only two nuclear powers at the time, and they were both hostile to China. Chinese leader Mao Zedong believed that developing nuclear weapons was essential for China's security and sovereignty.
In 1955, China and the Soviet Union signed a treaty of friendship and cooperation, which included a provision for the Soviets to help China develop nuclear weapons. However, the Soviets withdrew their support in 1959 after relations between the two countries deteriorated.
Despite the Soviet withdrawal, China continued its nuclear weapons program. In 1964, China successfully detonated its first nuclear bomb. The test was a major milestone in Chinese history, and it made China the fifth nuclear power in the world.
The video concludes by discussing the implications of China's nuclear weapons program. China's nuclear arsenal has deterred any foreign power from attacking China directly. However, China's nuclear weapons have also contributed to the proliferation of nuclear weapons in Asia.
*Time stamps:*
* 0:00-1:00 - Introduction
* 1:00-2:30 - Context: China's decision to develop nuclear weapons
* 2:30-3:30 - Soviet assistance and withdrawal
* 3:30-4:30 - China's independent nuclear weapons program
* 4:30-5:30 - China's first nuclear test
* 5:30-6:30 - Implications of China's nuclear weapons program
* 6:30-7:00 - Conclusion
Please note that this is a summary of the main points of the video, and it does not include all of the details. If you are interested in learning more about China's nuclear weapons program, I recommend watching the full video.
After the first successful American nuclear tests and bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki on 6 and 9 August 1945, Stalin felt the need to act and urged Soviet scientists to develop an atomic bomb as well. But the project stalled. When a Chinese delegation visited Moscow in July 1949, Stalin showed them a film allegedly depicting the first Soviet nuclear test a few weeks before it took place. But where did this film come from? Where did the test take place?
"Atomic Film"
Delays in creating the bomb disrupted Stalin's foreign policy plans. A few months earlier, Stalin had received from his personal envoy to Mao Zedong, Ivan Kovalev, that the Chinese communists had discovered a secret American plan at Chiang Kai-shei headquarters. Accordingly, the Americans were preparing for World War III. Together with the national Chinese and Japanese, they intend to use atomic bombs to crush the People's Liberation Army of China. Stalin made it clear to Kovalev that the United States was not yet ready for a great war.
On July 9, the first reception of the Chinese delegation led by the second highest party figure Liu Shaochi was held at Stalin's dacha. The second conversation, which is of particular interest to us, began on the evening of July 11 in the Kremlin. Liu Shaochi asked Stalin if he wanted to help the People's Liberation Army land in Taiwan. Stalin denied it. Liu then raised the question of how great Stalin considered the danger of World War III. The dictator acted calmly. The “imperialists” are not yet sufficiently armed to resist the Soviet Union at any moment.
Liu then asked permission to visit Soviet nuclear laboratories. This request was no doubt agreed with Mao, who was familiar with and interested in nuclear weapons. Mao kept his intentions secret from the public, calling the atomic bombs "paper tigers". However, Stalin did not want to show the guests the nuclear laboratories and instead invited them to watch the film. An atomic bomb exploded. The tests, as Stalin Liu said, took place in the far north of the Soviet Union, in a deserted area near the Arctic Circle.
Strangely enough, the screening of the film took place a few weeks before August 29, 1949, the first successful Soviet atomic bomb test in Semipalatinsk. Two key actors independently confirmed the fact of the film: Kovalev, Stalin's expert on China, reported it in his memoirs, as did Shi Zhe, Mao's translator.
What drove Stalin to this bluff? His attempt to oust the Western Powers from West Berlin failed. Worse, the Berlin crisis contributed to the merger of many Western European countries and the United States into the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) in April 1949. America's nuclear arsenal, though small, was growing, and the Soviet Union did not yet have an atomic bomb. In Europe, Stalin was on the defensive. His attention, therefore, more than ever, was focused on Asia, where the centre of the world’s revolutionary movement had moved. Despite some reservations about Mao, Stalin saw the Chinese Communists as strategic allies. It must therefore be important for him to look as strong as possible. Nothing could illustrate this better than possessing an atomic bomb.
German film?
My guess is going in a different direction. Perhaps the film was found somewhere in Germany after the end of the war. What at first sounds like a wild conspiracy thesis is confirmed by documents I found in the inventory of sources of the archive of modern Russian history in Moscow, which lists hundreds of files of German mining. In addition to the files, films were also recorded. Most of them were rocket launches. The contents of one roll of film are described as follows: "The film about the launch of Fau-2 and the detonation of an atomic bomb". This designation of the name appears to have been literally translated from the German film into Russian.
The film was handed over to the vice-chairman of the Special Committee on Missile Construction (Committee No. 2) Ivan Grigorievich Zubovich in May 1946. There is no way to prove whether these are indeed recordings of a nuclear fission bomb test. They are more likely to test a hybrid bomb consisting of a large amount of explosives and a small amount of fissionable and thermonuclear material. Only the original films or other archival materials that have not yet been discovered can provide information about this.
A real eye opener. Well explained and full of important lessons on international relations and internal willingness of a country to starve its people to feed its military.
I am from India 🇮🇳. I am a strong supporter of China having nuclear bomb. Because at that time China was the country with the largest population, which had and has every right to provide security to the people of its country.
No good deed remains unpunished forever. But Chairman Mao was really quick. His statement on nuclear war resurrected doomsday fears among the long-suffering Soviet peoples. It cost Khruschev his job.
technically, it is not difficult to make an atomic bomb, but extremely difficult to make a hydrogen bombs,
only the 5 permanent members of UN security councils have the technical and political ability to make hydrogen bombs,
Thank you for this thoroughly detailed episode! I would be interested in videos on other nations' nuclear programs too if you ever wanted to do them. Thank you again!
God be with you out there everybody. ️ :)
Since 1956, the Soviet Union and China were already at odds. In 1957, Khrushchev ordered all Soviet engineers who were assisting China with its heavy industries to return to the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union only provided a small amount of enriched uranium as a sample.
The documents disclosed by the United States show that they planned to carry out surgical nuclear strikes on mainland China in the 1950s and 1960s, involving 200-300 nuclear bombs, and the targets included a large number of Chinese cities. If the plan is really implemented, it will cause tens of millions of deaths in China. These will force the bravest people in China to use the greatest determination and perseverance to protect their families and compatriots
At that time, many calculations in China were handed over to school students. Of course, the students didn't know that they were doing calculations for the nuclear bomb project, thinking it was just an ordinary math exercise.
A modern army that guards peace as strong as any, even the enemy will respect them! Chinese are not as aggressive as Japanese. In history, whenever Japan became independent and powerful internally, it would start to invade and expand, occupying neighboring countries. This was proven several times in history. Since the Tang Dynasty, Japan began to invade Korea after completing its internal unification, but was defeated by the allied forces of Korea and Tang. Since the Ming Dynasty, it began to invade Korea, mainland China, and Ryukyu again. Later, it started to expand crazily until World War II, successively occupying Korea, Taiwan, most of mainland China, Myanmar, the Philippines, Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, and even the northern part of Australia, killing tens of millions of people.
Fresh capital combine with increased utility for drip specifically in the form of games from other community is in my opinion, the only way to price appreciation. Coach, it's great that you are awareness to others and hopefully when the next bullrun happens it will bring the price up (only in the short run) please collaborate with other developers like bitfighters, drip21, and spritz finance to setup a runway when the bullrun happens. I think also that the next bullrun will comes from Asia specifically China cause bankruns on Chinese banks have already eroded confidence from Chinese citizens and there is a growing adoption for cryptocurency.
This guy sounds butt hurt that they got the thing done
Imagine the world where only one country has the bomb. Very scary because they will use it and abuse it
The world is round, the earth belongs to everyone.
Only because the intelligence/ bullies weep for their failures today, just think back how they got themselves here,
And we all deserve a medal sometimes, somewhere, someday.
One thing about the wanton “proposed” uses of atomic weapons: the typical strategy for victory in the industrial era involves killing the production sites that make the weapons (cities) and the population that is both making those weapons and being conscripted into service.
Modern people just can’t seem to understand that war is a struggle of survival between nations. Only when one power so overwhelmingly dominates another AND the dominated power is willing to submit does the current model of “proportional response” really make sense.
Not only that, but the perceived long and short term consequences were viewed not only as a “that’s their problem” issue, but they seen as that much worse than fire-bombing, shelling, or lining up hundreds of thousands of Soldiers on the battlefield. Nukes meant - to those commanders - they could win a war without suffering attrition in their own army.
Only the concept of mutually assured destruction - when Russia and China got the bomb - did the US military really start to think about chilling out on their stance of liberal and frequent use of nukes to quickly win wars.
It is, collectively, the nationalism of Chinese people that made it happen. This is like semiconductor that’s stirring up so much Chinese nationalism in the current days.
At 4:10 that‘s a post stamp of Communist Albania commemorating the 79th anniversary of Stalin, little detail for ya‘ll. I recognize because it says „Republika Popullore e Shqiperise“ translates to People‘s Republic of Albania, costs 2.50ALL.
Не играю в кс, наткнулся на твой видос случайно. Монтаж - супер. С удовольствием посмотрел. Чувствуется стиль. Интересно было бы посмотреть что-то не по кс.
На Funke похож чутка
Bit unrelated but I think it's crazy how many times the world almost fell into nuclear apocalypse. I'm glad that atleast the leaders have come to their senses and realized that playing the game of nukes is one you can't win.
And we are now in the age where China has operational hyoersonic missiles in service while the US is lagging behind both, Russia and China, in this field...
Proud to be a chinese,We been weak in those two centuries,but now is number 2 in this world,only still weak than USA,but the gap between two countries is smaller than everyday
My aunt's husband was the student of Boer he was a PhD studying in Göttingen university in German 1936, So Chinese understood U bomb was much earlier than western thought.
I don't know if Mao's estimate was off in terms of number of survivors, but I do believe he's right about that second part: Emperialism would crumble and socialism would be likely to fill in the gap. Emperialism isn't the most likely to flourish in a situation where humanity would likely be far more scattered and fragmented than they are now. Under those conditions, socialism thrives. Socialism only starts to have problems with the ultra-rich when (near-) global trade is possible. That's not likely to be possible after a full global nuclear war. Those who survived only have their small local population to depend on. Most people in such a situation would know to foster as much cooperation as possible. It's not until later that we see people able to claim the benefits of such cooperation for themselves against the interests of the population. Perhaps somebody will manage to remind the people of that future time that the people seeking all that power are the same people who blew up the world.
I remember that there was a time that multi staging missile technology was classified and the state department was preventing companies from sharing this information with Chinese Aerospace companies which are all controlled by
by the CCP.
However after Clinton was elected president all of a sudden our state department was allowing
forbidden technology to begin flowing to Communist China. This allowed China to build
ICBM missiles with multi staging ability to reach the United States mainland.
Thanks Bill & Hillary.
This is the same thing with the American sanction of chip industry to China at the end the result would be the same thing, China would be able to build their own chip industries might even surpassed their predecessor.
Very good but I wish that the incredible insider information from "The Nuclear Express: A Political History of the Bomb and Its Proliferation: Reed, Thomas C., Stillman, Danny B." would have been used for an even better picture, mentioning why Uranium 235 was first used for an intermediary solution and the role Klaus Fuchs played even here. Btw., who would celebrate China's attainment of nuclear weapons?
The Chinese have always been able to get the technology they want. It will be interesting to see if they will be able to catch up with the West in lithography and chip production, especially AI.
Regardless if it is abomb, spacestations, chips, etc, Chinese will find a way! If we can't buy it, we will make it ourself, even if needed years, but one day, we WILL have it.
You forgot to mention France got its nuclear bomb in 1960, 4 years before China, in the beginning while listing the countries that already were nuclear powers.
people exaggerated on purpose the 1958 period ‘’great leap forward'', trying to make it look like centralized government gone wrong. Fact is that after the successful first five year plan, the second 5 year plan was never implemented due to sino-soviet relations and lack of funding, which forced China to decentralize and pass large parts of the 5 year plan down to local management. Steel making backyard stone ovens were typically a result of decentralization in a peasant country and not of centralization and certainly not the doing of one person's personal ego.
The movie 横空出世 https://youtu.be/JaymPThTk4g shows the underlying Chinese mindset on nuclear weapons. And US sanctions on Chinese semiconductor industry is creating the conditions in China to turn a market oriented industry into a nation-wide effort with strategic importance like nuclear weapons.
There is a story about Chinese living in South Africa during that period when they had apartheid. On the day of the bomb, the white bus driver told the Chinese passenger to sit in the front of the bus instead of in the back where they used to sit.
Does anyone know how they continued from this first bomb? I guess they don't use the same design anymore but on the other hand were probably happy to slow down r&d after that first successful test.
In the early days when China got the bomb, they quickly realised that the didn’t have a delivery system that would get them to the USA. After many hours and days deliberating the predicament they were in they found the solution. With the enormous size of the population they would be able to handcart it to the USA or anywhere else of their choosing
The Chinese have consistently shown that they gain knowledge of high technology through devious means. That's why they are never really at the forefront of technological development.
This whole saga is so strange in one respect, it leads to the inescapable realization that Khrushchev was perhaps the worst head of state of all time, giving away ballistic secrets, then giving away nuclear secrets to a potential adversarythat you share a border withand have a longstanding rivalry with for basically a pittance... if anything, tit for nothing? Permanently jeopardizing your nation's national security, forever.
Completely bizarre, I have no words, the utter failure, it boggles the mind, it's like someone that would lose to Gandhi in civ by turn 5.
Really impressive documentary level video. But about the Sino-Soviet Split, it’s actually misleading. The truth of the split has been well studied by Shen Zhihua. The secret speech was just an excuse, and the truth was after Stalin died, Mao believed he should be the man of the communist world
Isn't the development of nuclear weapons - both atomic and thermonuclear - fundamentally a matter of national prestige and geopolitical manoeuvring by countries ? After all - the original five members of the United Nations Security Council; the USA, UK, USSR, France and China were the first to acquire these weapons in the 1940s, 50s and 60s !
13:40 Hold on. How many times i heard uranium is so dantegerous, what we gonna do with waste (plutonium actually), what we gonna do. Yet guy is holding uranium 235 in a rubber gloves, and it's perfectly fine. Solid rock! Same for cores of atomic bomb on photos made in USA in 50-60, looks like metal football combined of hexagon parts. Most of waste is held in big concrete blocks, near atomic plant, sealed "forever". Transported somewhere to prevent concrete cracking. Not liquid not in barrels, not green it's solid sealed inside concrete blocks.
Neverheless he holds it in rubber gloves. Like if it was bowl of soup.
And he is perfecly fine?
As far i understand main difference between typical heavy water based reactor (defacto standard these days) and graphite(chernobyl, old type) is that. First one works only on specific fuel, have to be pure uranium, heavy water is used to ignite reaction, but its much safer. Nothing wont ever get to the air like Charnobyl. Although shouldnt be put close to the ocean so water wont leak to the ocean. Like in was in Japain. But downside is in this type of reactor fuel degrade in time, is more expensive have to be purified. In reactor of second type it's much cheaper. Second type, older type, can recycle fuel perfectly - uranium but end result, end waste is plutonium and then it's actual dangerous waste. That is actual problem. Final waste.
Correct me if im wrong.
Having two types it's necesary proces if you trully want make use of uranium. Iran was acused of making bomb. Matter of fact that does not necesarely mean bad intention. It just have to be prepared for use of reactor of first type. Purification should be rather done in smaller quantities, to avoid some Chernobyl cataclism. Thanks to that you have clean fuel ad you can put "waste" to nuclear warhead. If you don't have better idea.
Is uranium dangerous at room temperature? Plutonium is reactive that is for sure.
Is it? Or it also need to be ignited?
And fusion reactors, like never worked and probably never will, uses thritium, that is created in uranium reactor of first type (Japain), so there will be no fusion reactor without fision. It could make entire use or uranium even more economical. So happened almost all purified Uranium for use in US, Germany, Belgium, France is purified by Russians. They do dirty work
The single most important thing China’s nuclear, space programs have taught the world: if you wants to slow Chinese down, don’t stop aiding and teaching them.
So the Chinese litterally finished the bomb by putting pieces of shredded paper back together, let this be a lesson to everyone else, dont shred important or even non important documents, just incinerate everything or use dissapearing ink.
Why were the Americans so horribly anti Soviet and anti Chinese in 1949?
Just a couple of weeks earlier they were the most loving brothers in arms and very official allies during WW2.
lol 23:30 imagine their was an alternative point in history where the Soviets and Americans temporarily teamed up to stop China's nuclear weapon program, crazy to think that it could have happened.
When a ten year can make a nuclear bomb by drawings off the internet, minus the fuel. It’s not that hard. And the fuel can be made using sixty year old nuclear power technology. I’m surprised more countries haven’t got one.
Your research and presentation are always impressive. Thanks for your hard work.. Your research and presentation are always impressive. Thanks for your hard work..
You cannot blame the Chinese for making nuclear weapons development a priority during the Cold War. They were surrounded and threatened by rival nuclear powers
If you Condemn Hamas, Condemn Uyghurs too. But Hamas Case is Different. There are no daily killing in Uyghurs region like what is like been happening in Palestine. Please, Real!
France gave it to China. In 1964 China had no nuclear power or reprocessing plant. China got its first nuclear plant in 1979 built by France. France supplied enriched Uraniums to China to create atomic bomb.
B29 , once landing in USSR , they used this a model to build 圖6,.1950 giving 12 B 29 alike , since having big bomb bay thus 圖6 also used to drop N bomb, they also used these to bomb Tibetans causing 1million peaceful Tibatants died
Today's China wants to manufacture more nuclear weapons only for one reason: the United States is confident that its NMD system can protect them from retaliation from China's limited nuclear arsenal (at least protecting key military and economic cores). And since Obama's rebalancing and return to Asia plan, military pressure has been continuously exerted on China. Even preparing to expand NATO to Asia. The United States is so weak now that they are likely to have a crazy government that feels like they must go to war with China or lose everything. So in the face of these threats, China must increase its nuclear arsenal and oppress the US NMD system, making Americans realize that expensive NMD cannot protect their buttocks from being kicked hard.
Any nation that uses a nuclear weapon against another nation would ensure its own obliteration it was used reluctantly by America in Japan as a last resort to end a war and save millions of lives and the whole nation regretted its use
0:15 why not cite France along with the USA, USSR, and the UK in the list of nuclear bomb owners at the time? You're even saying there are 5 nuclear powers at the time, so it raises the question of who is the 4th power in the list.
Never forget the Battle of Chongqing had the U.S. sincerely helped China beat-back the Imperial Japanese at the Battle of Chongqing , then the attack on Pearl Harbor would've NEVER HAPPENED ... and the nuke-WMD attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki would've NEVER HAPPENED 🫨
It is surprising that they adopted a uranium only approach. It is so much easier for a smaller or less technologically advanced country to build a plutonium bomb.
basically, first test of nuclear device doesn't mean it's a bomb. Please do the math and calculate what would it cost to make such a 'thing' droppable from a plane not mentioning real missile deployment. If soviets didnt left the treaty, chineese would have real ready-to-use bombs by mid-1960s. Why ? its simple. First RDS-1 device was a huge monstorous but ballistic shape ready-to-drop 4-ton bomb with stabiliser and all appropriate electronics for high altitude detonation(ironically, there was no plane suitable for carrying it though). Feel the difference with "lets just pack some 30 kgs of enriched uranium and blow it up"-style. As far as i get it, soviets approach was this : first is the peaceful atomic industry, power plants, research facilities, nuclear study universities and chemistry industry. After first grade students make their p.h.d-s(some 8-10 years after first acknowledgement with subject), form an atomic ministry and begin doing math on how to deal with the back side of the atom - at this point, whether to get bomb or not becomes a political issue, not economical or technological. Its cheaper, easier, more consistent and more efficient in the long run. Almost the way North Korea did, by the way. So the only thing that needed was a ... patience. But this was a scarce resource in the 1960's unfortunately.
The Chinese got the designs of the Soviet atom bomb the same way the the President of the United States received the design papers of the Soviet atom bomb in about 1942. The Soviet atom bomb was designed between 1936 and 1942 by a team of nuclear scientists led by Igor Kurchatov, according to information available. During the height of the ww2, the project director of the Soviet atom bomb project decided to smuggle the designs of the atom bomb to the White House. Two academic nuclear scientists originally from a central European country 9Not Germany) were sent to the White House to explain and to show the president the blueprints of the Soviet atom bomb and the air blast calculation papers. President Roosevelt was highly interested. The duo of central European smugglers wanted to start a atom bomb project inside the US. President Roosevelt refused. The only nuclear scientist in the western hemisphere was Oppenheimer and he initially refused, saying he was unavailable and that he needs 6 months notice from his current job. . In an initial discussion with the president, Mr. Oppenheimer said he had forgotten many aspects of nuclear physics that he had earlier learnt from his textbooks, as he has been dealing with radio waves an in Marconi, the inventor of the radio. So President Teddy Roosevelt initially hired Marconi to initially lead a new project on building an Atom bomb in about 1942, based on the Soviet design papers and air blast calculations of the Soviet atom bomb. The rest is history..
It's impressive they managed to build a freaking nuke despite the disastrous great leap forward campaign. And they were probably extremely lucky the Cultural Revolution didn't start until 1966.
Do in short Chinese acquired atomic bomb from USSR and ditched them after 1964. Later they made business deals with west. How trustworthy as a friend. They are the same today also.
China's nuclear bomb programme is an interesting bit of history, but do you know what's just as interesting? China's thermonuclear bomb programme.
Perhaps even less information is know about it, but the leap from the city-busting atomic bomb to the world-ending hydrogen bomb took only 3 years. The shortest generational leap among the main nuclear powers, and it was achieved before the French, which was apparently a major rallying cry for the development teams during the project.
I recently read an article ("The short march to China’s hydrogen bomb" on Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists) on China's path to the H-bomb and it really opened my eyes to the differences between the two technologies and the effort that would go into their development. It also lead me down a rabbit hole of looking into the British thermonuclear bomb programme, which was actually done wholly independently of America's efforts due to the latter's distrust of the former's information security. In fact, I saw similarities in both China and the UK's atomic weapons programmes. Both nations owed part of their original nuclear bomb programmes to cooperation with a stronger power, but had to finish the job alone. Then, both had to independently make the jump from the fission bomb to the fusion bomb. And the most intriguing part of it all? Every single thermonuclear weapons programme (US, Soviet, British, Chinese, French) independently developed and reached the same design conclusion - Every single one ended up with a Tellar-Ulam configuration (called many different names). The smartest minds from across the globe (Tellar and Ulam, Sakharov, Yu Min), kept separate by the greatest counter-espionage efforts known to man, all working separately to unravel the universal laws of physics, and all having come to identical answers. There's a beauty and elegance in that.
Maybe you could do some digging and make a video on China's thermonuclear bomb programme?
Stalin strictly stuck to the agreed upon spheres of influence, refusing to support the Greek communists, snubbing India and other newly independent countries. And he still got the hate from the USA.
The Soviets had suffered too much casualties during the war, it makes sense that Stalin would be reluctant to engage in wars.
And the US and UK who didn't suffer much losses were arming Ukrainian insurgents and Baltic insurgents to destabilize the USSR.
The Berlin wall was built because the US was sending spies, smuggling Zionist propaganda and smuggling weapons to the Soviet side of Berlin.
The British love to apologize for colonialism in India by taking credit for "giving them the railroad."
But of course those railways grew in ridership to many many times where the British left them and they still function, so who's been putting in the work?
And now in 2023 it is the Americans that are trying to keep the technology gap .
Soviets were afraid of China using the weapons against them and boom in 2014 the Americans use Ukrain as a weapon against Russia.
''...With this China joined the USA, USSR and UK as five states having nuclear power...'' How it goes as I can count four only?
Thanks a lot for your story! Would you tell, please, about all rest countries(except USA and USSR), how they have got the bombs?
If the Soviet Union was sincerely treating the Chinese, maybe Soviet union will continue to exist until today. Too bad their sense of insecurities has terminate themselves.
When Mao Zedeng came to power as a Chairman of the Communist Party of China in 1949 and that is the time and when the Soviet Union under the Stalin regime first test there own version of a Atomic bomb
Eventually it's the Chinese will and determination that makes things happen. At 1 point, china's FM chen yi told in a news press, "we'd rather have atoms than trousers" 宁要原子,不要裤子。 in retrospect, this is a tremendously right decision.
The Chinese people are lovely, hard working and honest - it's a shame their government has such an inferitority complex and feels the need to take actions such as it does. I don't think their style of government will last much longer, not without harsh measures for the civilian population. What they accomplished here, from what has given/left over is pretty incredible.
It showed the genie being out of the box means anyone with raw material can fashion A bomb if not the ideal bomb. North Korea is a prime example with even less resources. Sadly greed and presuming you won't be impacted, allows others to provide the materials and outside expertise that fills the gap. Would China have taken less time with Russia, yes but even without them, it would just have delayed the inevitable. Ironically, some of those same bombs target Russia and likely NK
This is a video full of speculation and irresponsibility. After the Korean War, China really wanted to develop an atomic bomb, and also hoped to get help from the Soviet Union. But Stalin refused. After Stalin's death in 1956, Khrushchev came to power and began to completely eliminate Stalin's influence. This made both Mao Zedong and China very dissatisfied. The Soviet Union began to turn against each other in an all-round way. The Soviet Union completely stopped aid to China and withdrew Soviet experts from China. How could Khrushchev provide China with nuclear technology, let alone nuclear weapons, when China and the Soviet Union had turned against each other. Of the three returning scientists mentioned in the video, apart from nuclear physicist Qian Sanqiang, Qian Xuesen is the most famous aerodynamicist (he is a manufacturer of Chinese missiles and rockets), and Qian Weichang is an applied mathematician Home. These three scientists were not directly involved in the development of the atomic bomb. The one who really led the development of the atomic bomb was Dr. Deng Jiaxian who returned to China from Purdue University in 1950. Under his leadership, China successfully tested its first atomic bomb in 1966, 10 years after Khrushchev came to Taiwan. strength.
Brilliant! Best way to describe a great cause as unworthy is to add some personal speculation when the general description is correct. For example, a leader can make international relations worse because he feels criticized. A person who leads a country can be as childish as your neighbor kids. Also he said, "the fast research is because they feels embarrassed". Come on, this is a national security issue to 600 million people. Don't you think that’s really funny?
Americans always underestimate the Chinese efforts in many ways, not just in making nuclear weapon. Nowadays, also underestimate the effects in unifying some other parts of their country like Hongkong and Taiwan, as well as achieving supremacy in science and technology.
So Mao had a bad temper after putting himself in a circle of speech that wasn't about him,which made them go savage for the little info left by the soviets
So Mao had a bad temper after putting himself in a circle of speech that wasn't about him,which made them go savage for the little info left by the soviets
There's gotta be a million or so private stories of the thousands upon thousands who labored in complete secrecy, only to take their heroic/demented tales to the grave, to never see the light of day.
The Russians(Khrushchev) wouldn't give the Chinese enough nuclear information for its formation. It stands to reason that more than probably they stole from the U.S. just as the Soviets did.
Did the US invent the atom bomb?
Manhattan Project started in August 1942.
Lab sites surveyed and ground breaking in Jan 1943.
Gathering, recruiting scientists started in March 1943.
Lab buildings completed in Nov 1943, some scientists chimed in building designs too.
So, if the first atom bomb was detonated in July 1945, and the real research started in Nov 1943...
It took only 1 year 8 months to INVENT the atom bomb, two kinds, uranium and plutonium, from scratch?
I listened to Oppenheimer lectures, he never said he, his team, or America invented or even built atom bombs.
Read Szilard Petition, the signed 70 manhattan project scientists said they "worked on the field of atomic power".
Look at the trinity bomb, and compare that with fatman bomb assembly, they are the same production bombs.
Demon core accidents are another oddity, why would American scientists disassemble the already built bomb to "study" it?
America took the atom bombs from Germany, at least 1 uranium bomb (hiroshima), 3 plutonium bombs (trinity, nagasaki, demon core)
Undoubtedly the Englishman assisted China with bomb development so that China would act as a cantilever against India and Russia. In appreciation later a panda bear alliance was formed. Russia in turn assisted Pakistan as counterbalance against India.
International politics are much simpler than complexities taught in history books.
Right now during Xi’s visit, it would be no surprise if Biden is offering Mongolia and Siberia to China for their cooperation to undermining, partitioning, and pillaging vast Russian resources. Undoubtedly Xi is back in China now discussing with his inner circle this tempting offer.
Worth waiting for the ‘Back to the Future’ photo etc.
How many secrets do shredders divulge ‘back in the day’…?
ALL OF THEM!
Very interesting video of a developing and growing China during uncertain and volatile times. Keep the videos, analysis and synopsis, jokes and political innuendo coming..
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